Ball breaking york flags - Moving

sussex · Post: # 77393Post **sussex** Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:55 am

help please.is there a purpose madetrolly /barrow to move big [1.6x1.6mx125mm]york flags.made the mistake of letting the customer sourse the materials.stupid i know

ilovesettsonmondays · Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:08 am

yep its called a jcb or rubber duck with a sucker on ???

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:10 am

Yeah 3-5 ton mini with suction lifter they're about 0.38m3 so that's about 800kg each which is pushing the limit for a 3 ton at reach so you are going to need a 5 ton machine or skid steer or telehandler with minimum 1 ton suction lifter

Gonna be an expensive job... Given health and safety regs of 25kg per man you could get 34 men to lift each one.....

Carberry · Post: # 77397Post **Carberry** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:03 pm

GB_Groundworks wrote:Yeah 3-5 ton mini with suction lifter they're about 0.38m3 so that's about 800kg each which is pushing the limit for a 3 ton at reach so you are going to need a 5 ton machine or skid steer or telehandler with minimum 1 ton suction lifter

Gonna be an expensive job... Given health and safety regs of 25kg per man you could get 34 men to lift each one.....

Or 1 tank:

sussex · Post: # 77400Post **sussex** Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:08 pm

thanks thats about how i see it but was hoping for cheaper option;the 34 men idea was good but the tea bill would cost more than the digger

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:07 pm

there is no HSE limit on what a man can lift giles
we did a course 2 weeks ago and the limit is " what any man can comfortably lift"
where on earth did the client get stone that size?
LLL

DNgroundworks · Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:36 pm

Like Giles said, the cheapest option is to hire a 5t machine with 1 tonne probst stone magnet and driver.....or send the flags back!!

Pablo · Post: # 77404Post **Pablo** Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:45 pm

Holy cow they're huge lifting them won't be your only problem bedding and levelling something that large will be a nightmare and you'll have to drop it in dead on because you can't manhandle it over 10mm to make it sit tight with the last one. You'll need to get a big saw to but as long as you see yourself right on price it would be the kind of job that could present a healthy challenge.

local patios and driveway · Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:34 pm

1.6m sq.... Jeezus, we will need pics of that

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:01 pm

my local stone merchant has these, they are the old floor slabs from mills

their only client for them is the national trust who helicopter them up onto the penines to do the penine way, they are cheap because they are awkward

Carberry · Post: # 77411Post **Carberry** Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:27 pm

GB_Groundworks wrote:my local stone merchant has these, they are the old floor slabs from mills

their only client for them is the national trust who helicopter them up onto the penines to do the penine way, they are cheap because they are awkward

How cheap we talking here?

I'm happy laying heavy / awkward stuff / digging out by hand if it means more cash for me :laugh:

Post: # 77412Post **Tony McC** Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:30 pm

We laid some in Liverpool 30 years or so ago - 2.4m x 1.8m x 150mm (8' x 6' x 6" as I think we were still working in imperial back then!). Around a tonne and a half each, I seem to recall.

We craned them into place using a decrepit old Chaseside loading shovel we'd bought for 250 quid and a very iffy set of brothers nominally intended to lift manhole chamber rings.

Summat happened to the brothers and we ended up using hemp tow rope plaited-up by my Dad's old neighbour who had been a merchant seaman for 50-odd years. Fantastic ropework. If I'd had any sense, I'd have kept it as a memento, as that's another skill that seems to be on the verge of extinction.

local patios and driveway · Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:58 pm

I would guess a pallet strapper around the stone would be the ideal way to lay those then cut the straps and slide them out

sussex · Post: # 77441Post **sussex** Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:59 pm

thankfully there not all that size but there all heavy buggers;will enjoy doing the job.by the way he paid a bloody fortune for them cheap did'nt come into it.1st ever forum;think the site is great loads of usefull info;cheers

haggistini · Post: # 77465Post **haggistini** Tue May 01, 2012 8:05 pm

Even cookie might bust a vessel on them there bastards !!! that's some slab....!