Job irish paving missed out on by £400

[lutonlagerlout]

i feel for colm
but i feel worse for the client who went for the cheaper quote
thats a hall of fame bodge
LLL

[Pablo]

Wow that's just awful. A least he got the paving the right way up which was probably by accident.:laugh: . We need a smiley face with a cowboy hat for just these occasions.

[Injured]

Just goes to show cheapest is not best.

[mike builder/landscaper]

dont know about you guys, but i laugh my arse off when i see work like that. i feel smug and think you got what you payed for.

[mickg]

nice acer and at least the plumber did not blow the face off the brick when he installed the outside tap

and the worst thing you can do when installing new windows or doors is to cut the cill in line with the brickwork, the moron of a window installer has cut 100mm off the cill to end up with a finish like that

[lutonlagerlout]

what purpose does it serve to have the cill falsely cut beyond the reveal mick?
I always thought it was purely following existing where the timber frames had been bricked in cill head and all
in fact 1 of my old jobs for fairviews was cutting all the horns and heads off windows and tacking the DPC round the reveals and cills
cheers LLL

[irishpaving]

When I was asked to come back and have a look I was asked by the client "what can I do" so my reply was next time just listen. I had also explained about air vents.
TBO times have been very hard for me at the moment and it's just sad and annoying that I'm loosing out work to rogues like this

[mickg]

for me personally atheistics and water penetration, when the frames were built in by the bricklayers with the damp nailed to the edge of the frames and wrapped around the cavity is different to having replacement windows fitted

maybe is a northwest style of building but most windows are joddled round the brickwork unless of course its a very old property but normally speaking 60 - 70 - 80 -90s houses were always notched round the brickwork

pvc-u cills are always 100mm longer than the window when they leave the factory to do the same detail as the existing windows, too many window installer cut these off to suit the width of the window with the dewalt saw and then offer the sill to the opening only to find the window is 10mm smaller or more in some cases than the brickwork leaving a large gap at each end of the cill

this gap is then then gunned up using the widest end possible on the nossle resulting in fat caterpillar mastic pointing

[lutonlagerlout]

so it is more am aesthetic thing than a FENSA reg?
I did my own windows,and i cut the extra little bits,to imply a longer cill,
my biggest gripe is when window fitters pull out an old frame and try and make good where the cill went into the brickwork
second only to plumbers in their making bad of brickwork

Back to irishpaving and the patio he lost

1 joints are too tight
2 it dont line up
3 too high to DPC
4 timber retaining wall??????????
5 what pattern is that?? fail

it has to come out colm the whole lot

"There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey.

It is unwise to pay too much, but it is also unwise to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money, that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the thing you bought is incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot... It can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder it is well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better."

attributed to John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

[mickg]

I have gone through building trade life with 2 pet hates, one is cutting cills flush with the width of the brickwork and the other is cement or concrete stains on tarmac and not washed off the same day, leaving it means its there for life........

yes it is an aesthetic thing and nothing to do with FENSA regs, its how we was taught at college and the few building companies I have worked for in my younger years also installed windows this same way

sorry for detracting from the original post

like you say Luton the patio is an absolute disgrace and needs to be relaid, the timber for a riser with the flags laid on top is very bad construction practice and will fail in no time at all and the pattern or lack of pattern should i say is terrible

in the grand scale of the job and the original price difference of £400 was not a lot of money when you see bad workmanship like this

was the contractor a landscaper by any chance ?

lets hope the house owner has learnt a lesson with the quote you posted above as hind site is a wonderful thing and if everyone choose the right contractor in the first place photos like these would not exist

[DNgroundworks]

:rock: thats awful

[matt h]

client obviously got what he paid for...proves cheapest isnt always the best. you cant compete with them on pricing, but quality always reaps its own rewards imho:)