Hard standing for car park

[tiggy748]

Im looking into buying 20 acres of land to use as an equestrian competition centre.

At some point if i am to run throughout the winter I will need a car park for the lorries. I am guestimating that i will need to create hardstanding for 40 lorries = 1 acre.

Which is the cheapest way of doing this? Im thinking crushed hard core?

Can anyone advise to the depth it would have to be laid and approx qty I would need for this project?

Thanks

[GB_Groundworks]

ideally you want to

to strip the turf top soil back, down to good ground, 200mm large road bed stone 40mm+ on geotextile then 100mm layer of 40mm-dust MOT type 1 to blind and compact.

most the big wagons are based on 17 ton rigids aren;t they, sisters got a big oakley so a lot of weight there needs to be done properly.

but for the cheaper not ideal method, strip back turf and soil and speak to a local aggregate supplier/bulk hauler, demolition company and see if you can get free clean hardcore delivered.

unlikely to get it free, normally about £100 for a 20 ton load of cleanish hardcore(by clean it should be free from soil, but it will be full of all other sorts of crap) spread it out in 300 or so thick layer, track it in well with a big machine 13>20 tons then blind again with mot or cold plainings compact with a double drum roller.

where abouts are you, we do a fair bit of equestrian works

[tiggy748]

The land im hoping to buy is in leicester, but will be in the midlands somewhere if I dont get this particular bit.

We would have to go for the cheapest option to start with a view to upgrading it in 3 yrs.

Actualy just looked at your website.

Can you give me an very approximate cost for the following please? (individualy as we will have to get each bit done as an individual project)

60m x 30m out door school

60m x 60m outdoor school

car park (as above but im now thinking that 40 boxes will need closer to 3 acres of land as 1 acre is aprox 63m x 63m)

25x 12ft x 12ft stables (breeze block)

enclosed barn/tack room 20m x 40m

toilet block (6x loos, 6x showers)

I appriciate that costs depend on where services are, how level the ground is and a million other things, but all i need is rough cost to budget it on the plans. Where i know if i have the secured the land then i can forward plans to you for a bettrer idea of price!

Thanks!

[lutonlagerlout]

you are an eternal optimist tiggy
as giles correctly says most waste people will chareg around 100 pounds for 20t of clean hardcore
then there is labour spreading it and compacting it plus plant costs
i saw a farmer with a farm shop do similar to what you are hoping and it cost a lot more than £1500 for .2 of an acre
an acre is a massive area to blind if you say 1 acre = 4000 m2 then 300 mm of hardcore is 1200m2 of hardcore,roughly 2000 tonnes £10k
imay be wrong on my workings but an acre is a big area to make a hardstanding
LLL

[tiggy748]

An acre is 63m2, which is double the size of an arena, I would think you could park 20 lorries on this - concidering the average lorry is 35ft long, + ramp, + space between lorries. We will be running 3 day affiliated shows.

Im not sure where you got £1500? may be £15k?

The land is 25 acres, and needs re-seeding. The question is at the moment, do we reseed and wait for next summer to start competitions, or do we try to get arenas and car parks sorted by Oct for the winter season bearing in mind we will need them eventualy.

However if we went down this road we would have to wait to build the stables etc as re-seeding couldnt take place till spring, meaning a whole summer of competions and livery gone.

The only way round this would be to see if its possible to hold the competitions on outdoor arenas and build a large carpark -this way we could run year round untill indoor schools can be built, unconventional but i dont know of any rule which states it has to be indoors.

I just need to get prices in for everything then work out the best plan!

[GB_Groundworks]

i'll come back to your question tomorrow when i've got more time but

your way off a 20x40metre arena = 800m

wiki paste

Consequently, the international acre is exactly 4,046.856 422 4 square metres

x multiplied by 250mm min = 1011.5m3 of stone multiplied by 2.2 ton per m2 = 2023 tons or 101 loads @ 100 = 10000k

then you are looking at minimum of a week at best to get a 100 wagons in unlikely as most firms would only have a few wagons on it then there is access issues etc

i want to stick a 20 tonner and a dozer on there 3 guys for min week at best case, to strip back and lay so its a big job your about right with 15000 if the wagons can get in, but i guess that important if its a car park for wagon

[tiggy748]

20m x 40m is way too small, I'm talking proper competition areans not "school at home" type size.

The proper size for a competition arena is a minimum of 60m x 30m = 1800m , hence two arenas = 1 acre approx (ok so it's more 2.3 areans, but that semantics!)

When I think of it in this context, 1 acre seems very small!

so we are agreed at around 15K for a car park which would fit around 40 lorries on? (average lorry being 35ft x 9ft plus room for ramp, tying horses up (12 ft) etc?)

[lutonlagerlout]

1 acre is over 4000 M2
where you get 63 M from I dont know?
basically an acre is the amount a ploughman could be expected to plough in 1 day 1/8th mile by 1/8th mile
thats enough pedantry for now
dont forget vehicles need room to turn
bigger is better
LLL

[tiggy748]

63m2 = 63m x 63m = 3969 = close enough to 2x 60m x 30m arenas or 1 acre without working out the precise decimals involved!

Bigger the better, agreed but my pocket isn't quite big enough to be too random!

Im a visual person, i roughly know what looks right, but couldnt tell you the size, wheras builders like to work to sizes! hence trying to figure out what size i need based on arena size, cos that's what i know!

[lutonlagerlout]

well giles is the horse related guy on this forum
why not take a look at some lorry parks tiggy or even retail car parks?
a normal drive for 1 car is roughly 30M 2 yet a car is only 10M 2
if you can visualise a football field that is roughly 2 acres
I'd say you would need approaching that size for 40 wagons,
cheers LLL

[GB_Groundworks]

slight confusion going on here between m2 as in square metres and the mathematical term to square somethig as in 63m2 to the power of itself.

i think you'd be alright with a 3 acres parking area, most the big equestrian centres i've been to have no more that this if that. normally direct you to the driest field and hope you dont get stuck.

not sure what level you are talking but my sister has a pro horse just came highly placed out on the sunshine tour in spain and i know for a fact they wouldn;t let that stand out on a stone/hardcore parking lot. its all gelltrack etc dont want your 100k horse roughing it haha.

i'm about to level of a 12000 metre2(3 acres i think 100mx120m ) area for 2 rugby pitches, will involve stripping the soil about 6000 tons and then moving 10000 tons of the sub strata(clay) to remove 1 metre of half the field and fill the other half with that 1 metre then relay the soil and seed.

i'd say you'd get 40 boxes on there rd the end and then a cluster in the middle, most boxes will nose into the edge with the ramps to the free space to drive in.